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[Madison]

I have spent my morning preparing my concurrent plans for my PsyD and MD programs - I have spent the last couple of days trying to decide if the 10 years + of work I have left in front of me were worth it.

I actually spent an evening feeling sorry for myself because I have so much hard work in front of me, and the things I have to deal with are emotionally taxing.

Then I received a text message to turn on the news, and although I am reminded almost daily (when I look into the eyes of a child who's been hurt) why what I'm doing is so important - this is another harsh reminder of why it will be worth it.


http://newyork.cbslo...ooting-in-conn/



Yes - I poke fun at pK (its mostly tongue in cheek, and they make it so easy ) but at the end of the day - these babies that survived are why I do what I do, and this is what really matters.

Make sure you shut off your computer, and hug your babies.

[Tooth Fairy]

People will never appreciate what they have until they lost it.

[Papi Champagne]

Just wondering how my guild factors into this?

[Madison]

General Hellsing, on 14 December 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

Just wondering how my guild factors into this?

Really?  Let me water it down for you

It's known that us [PUNK]s enjoy giving [pK] crap, but at the end of the day none of the trolling or the games or the [PUNK]s or the [pK]s matter....what really matters is that a young man killed 20 children today (along with adults), and that we should all take time away from this false reality and hug our children, or other loved ones.  

Your guild does not necessarily "factor into" anything here - it was just an example of what in life doesn't really matter and what does, but as usual you seem to think its all about you.

Your comment to this is a perfect example of why you make it so easy to troll you - instead of just saying - yeah Madi you have a point, and this tragedy is a remind of how precious life is....or something any normal person would say - your comment is - well it is what it is....isn't it.

This post was not created to call any one person out - except for perhaps my whiny self - it was not created to be trolled - and frankly anyone who trolls this thread should be ashamed.

It was just an example Hellsing - get over yourself.

[Laelith]

The shootings at the Connecticut elementary school hit me really hard today not because I have children, but because I'm studying to be a teacher. I hope to never have to deal with a situation like this but I know if it does happen, I'm prepared to do whatever I can to protect my students even if that means sacrificing myself. It also saddens me that a lot of kids come from broken homes or have really bad home situations and they see school as a safe place where, they hope, will be drama free and a place of refuge from whatever baggage they have outside of school. And then to have that image of school shattered in front of them...  This world can be very cruel. And its horrible that children were hurt from this and their lives will be affected by this for the rest of their lives.

[Papi Champagne]

Madison, on 14 December 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

It was just an example Hellsing - get over yourself.

I was actually just genuinely curious as to why my guild's name was mentioned in this thread, not that I was thinking the world rotated around me. But if you want to overreact over what was just a question for no good reason other than assuming things, I won't stop you. Have a good night.

[Apticus]

M2 owned you son.  Youngins can't even touch her swag.  She pull up 2 you on her 2 way sittin sideways son.

[Menorah]

Whoa there's some serious hostility going on here. Sounds to me like you all need some help calming down. How about paint therapy?



On a more serious note though for a serious topic, I can only hope those involved in the shootings are able to recover (both mentally and physically). I work for a political news network (oh yes, this is becoming very political very quickly), so I've heard way more details about this than I would have liked. It's not a fun thing to discuss.

I might not know exactly what you're feeling Madison, but I have some things I feel myself that resonate a bit when hearing about something like this. You're right... it does kind of get you thinking about what really matters.

[FuriousFluffy]

XD Menorah. That video... Fucking amazing XD.

[Madison]

omg...that seriously made me laugh - I've heard yellow paint is an angry color.

You know what happened - I was sitting here with stacks of paperwork and research - I have just a few days to get this all together before I meet with a new adviser - I was feeling sorry for myself because I have so much work to do - I was having my little tiff in one of the other threads, and then I got the text message and flipped on the news.  I literally got sick to my stomach, and thought - how selfish could I be to feel so sorry for myself when I have so much, and the parents of 20 children just lost everything.

That's what spurred this little thread - just a reminder that we cannot take the little spats or tiff's or joking in these threads so serious - that life can be over so quickly - it's important to remember what really matters.  

That was all.../hugs

[xSilent]

"Yes - I poke fun at pK (its mostly tongue in cheek, and they make it so easy ) but at the end of the day - these babies that survived are why I do what I do, and this is what really matters."

"It's known that us [PUNK]s enjoy giving [pK] crap, but at the end of the day none of the trolling or the games or the [PUNK]s or the [pK]s matter"

Shut the fuck up and focus on what's really important. Are you seriously putting my guild in the headline relevant to the topic of children dying, and then when we simply ask why the hell we were mentioned you tell us that it doesn't matter? Some intellectual you are, there are children dying and you still won't stop troll baiting in the very thread created to honor the venerate those that sacrificed their lives to save children?

Take that shit out and if you really cared you would leave it at the topic at hand.

[Ralathar]

Ya know, I have to agree.  There was no real reason to put ANY guild as a reference in there.  It doesn't fit and it just cheapens the sentiment you are trying to express.  By all appearances it is a Non sequitur.


If you are really so hung up on a guild in a video game that you would randomly throw it into such a topic then you really have some thinking to do because you have some serious priority issues.

[Papi Champagne]

Madison, on 14 December 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

It was just an example Hellsing - get over yourself.

Uhh...

Ralathar, on 18 December 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

If you are really so hung up on a guild in a video game.

I told myself I won't post beyond my initial one and given that this is, still basically, a well intended thread, I finally kinda found the perfect way of how I perceive you, Madison. It's funny though. The first day I registered on this forum, I logged on only to find a gripe post from you about me. I figured, hey, that's cool, I don't give a fuck. But at every turn it just so happens that you side or like shit that goes against pk. I made this claim before, and you dismissed it as me being "sensitive", but a few of my guildies have noticed this, even our less aggressive ones. This isn't meant to troll, but just like you, I'm letting it all out right here. I'm rather tired of you somehow trying to act like a giant fucking troll then running off to try and grab the moral high ground whenever we respond, it's very hypocritical. Your "tongue-in-cheek" bullshit meets a harsh response from the people you push it on and you guys suddenly drop it and act as if you didn't say anything.

Just up here, I simply posed a question and you felt the utter need to go 150% off on me for no reason, with some irrelevant answer as your excuse for doing it. It was a simple question met with a harsh response. Even our passive players wondered why the FUCK we were mentioned here. In a thread about kids getting shot. Really? I understand you and your two idiots are the Ehmry Bay forum trolls, but I think enough is enough, seriously.

[Steambeard]

Madison was in the midst of both worrying about her workload and responding to another thread involving a PK dispute when she received news of the tragedy and realized her current activities were irrelevant in comparison. I'm surprised this wasn't clear to your guild members. if you have additional concerns over phrasing, you should take it to PMs.

[Thuley]

So let's think about this; intent matters.

From where I am looking Madison posted her interaction with pk as an example of stuff that doesn't matter in comparison to the tragedy that occurred that day.  Even though pk was mentioned by name it's clear to me that a guild in an online game couldn't possibly have any relation at all to the shooting that took place, I didn't need an explanation to point that out.  Would it have been better to make a generic statement and not use any guild/person in particular?  Maybe, but what's done is done.

What was Hellsing's intent in asking how pk figures into this?  I don't know.  I can only assume that since he asked the question he didn't understand the use of an example.

Now, let's consider something else for a minute.  When news about the shooting broke some of my female co-workers who are mothers just couldn't help but cry because they felt empathy for the mothers that lost their children and because they were worried sick about their own kids who were in school that day.  Males cannot possibly relate to the loss a mother feels when a child dies.  Of course males are affected as well just not on the same level that an actual mother is who had the child grow inside of her.

Madison is a mother, and her profession exposes her to children in need of help which means that she does see grief on an almost daily basis.  That is relevant because the shooting would emotionally affect someone like Madison a lot more than it would me (for example!).

When you consider that state of mind, and then someone asking a question that appears to have an obvious answer to it which would make it seem as if the question is just attention grabbing trolling, then the response to the question starts to make a lot more sense.

In closing, PK getting upset over the use of an example is faked outrage.  I simply cannot believe that one could read the OP and not get that it was an example.  Madison could have given a more measured response but given that the day must have been highly emotional the actual response given isn't that surprising either.

Somewhat related; profanities do not win arguments, they do make an impression though.

Still, the original point still stands that whatever is going on at ehmry.com, or GW2, or anywhere else on the Internet becomes irrelevant when compared to the senseless loss of all those lives.  Hopefully that is something that doesn't require additional explanation and is also something we can all agree on.

[Liric]

Thuley, on 18 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Males cannot possibly relate to the loss a mother feels when a child dies.  Of course males are affected as well just not on the same level that an actual mother is who had the child grow inside of her.

I don't find this fair to many of the excellent, caring fathers I know who would be or would have been utterly destroyed if their child had suffered this. Part of the willingness - or unwillingness - to show empathy in public is due to how the different genders are conditioned in that regard, not just because women are the "illogical, emotionally charged" gender that society paints them to be. And another part of it is just the individual. My mother didn't cry. :/

Anyway...regarding the guild thing...Madison was just pointing out your differences as something that isn't important compared to more serious, real-world problems, Hellsing. I think the whole dispute in this thread over it is another example anyhow. How important is it really?

I know when I argue online that it isn't important so much...but a part of me does want it to be, because it's an escape from the things that are.

[Ralathar]

Liric Whitecloak, on 18 December 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Anyway...regarding the guild thing...Madison was just pointing out your differences as something that isn't important compared to more serious, real-world problems, Hellsing. I think the whole dispute in this thread over it is another example anyhow. How important is it really?

I know when I argue online that it isn't important so much...but a part of me does want it to be, because it's an escape from the things that are.

That's the point.  It isn't important.  Nothing on this forum should even hold a candle to that.  Nothing in game should even hold a candle to that.  PK is in the midst of overcoming it's past and there are still missteps.  That is hard enough by itself without passive aggressive mud-slinging by someone who always retreats and plays on sympathies.  I will go a step further and say that this would not work as well for a guy because of the very same societal bias you mentioned vs mothers and fathers losing children.

I've watched the posts and the likes for a long time.  This is not a new thing borne of a sudden emotional time.  Madison has had a consistent path of anti-PK posts and almost always likes anti-PK posts.  Some of that we deserved, much of it we didn't.


Honestly I would respect her more if she was just honest about it instead of preying on the feelings and sympathies of others.  Because while PK might be viewed as rude or elitist by some, you can at least be sure we are honest and pursuing the overall victory for all of us at costs to ourselves both in and out of game.  I personally would rather have that reputation than be manipulative and dishonest.

[Icer Xx]

Ralathar, we are clearly talking about different PK guilds here.

[Techni Color]

Ralathar, on 19 December 2012 - 05:43 AM, said:

That's the point.  It isn't important.  Nothing on this forum should even hold a candle to that.  Nothing in game should even hold a candle to that.  PK is in the midst of overcoming it's past and there are still missteps.  That is hard enough by itself without passive aggressive mud-slinging by someone who always retreats and plays on sympathies.  I will go a step further and say that this would not work as well for a guy because of the very same societal bias you mentioned vs mothers and fathers losing children.

I've watched the posts and the likes for a long time.  This is not a new thing borne of a sudden emotional time.  Madison has had a consistent path of anti-PK posts and almost always likes anti-PK posts.  Some of that we deserved, much of it we didn't.


Honestly I would respect her more if she was just honest about it instead of preying on the feelings and sympathies of others.  Because while PK might be viewed as rude or elitist by some, you can at least be sure we are honest and pursuing the overall victory for all of us at costs to ourselves both in and out of game.  I personally would rather have that reputation than be manipulative and dishonest.

Yet another example of why PK is so easy to mess with. You guys don't let things be: constantly demanding respect and assuming you're taking the moral high ground. No, that would be not taking things to heart on a forum, ignoring the trolls, and laughing at yourself from time to time. Unacam seems to be the only one that gets it that has been regularly posting. With all due respect, please take your personal beefs to PMs instead of tarnishing your reputation even more for trying to justify a misconstrued backlash.

[Siiddhartha]

Ralathar, on 19 December 2012 - 05:43 AM, said:

PK is in the midst of overcoming it's past and there are still missteps.

Because while PK might be viewed as rude or elitist by some, you can at least be sure we are honest and pursuing the overall victory for all of us at costs to ourselves both in and out of game.

You guys are true heroes.  Thank you for all the wonderful things you do.  You're bigger heroes than those 9/11 firefighters.  Bravo for taking all that on your shoulders.