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#21 Ralathar

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:03 PM

View PostTechni Color, on 19 December 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

Yet another example of why PK is so easy to mess with. You guys don't let things be: constantly demanding respect and assuming you're taking the moral high ground. No, that would be not taking things to heart on a forum, ignoring the trolls, and laughing at yourself from time to time. Unacam seems to be the only one that gets it that has been regularly posting. With all due respect, please take your personal beefs to PMs instead of tarnishing your reputation even more for trying to justify a misconstrued backlash.

No we can't take the moral high ground.  We don't deserve to yet.  We have more work to do because we are still in the grey area currently.  It's impossible to take the moral high ground while being insulting or responding to trolling.  It's honesty and the attempt to be objective that makes me agree with you on this.  However just because we are not shining white and pure does not mean that we speak nonsense either.  Nor does it mean that it is ok for others to attempt to use this for their own personal gain whilst feigning purity.

Being mature and fair is a difficult game.  This is perhaps why so few succeed at it.  But many more than succeed will gleefully point out the spots on other people's fingers while imagining their own as spotless when it is no less mottled.

In the atmosphere of this forums currently a few prominent people will make the road that much more difficult for us while attempting to be relatively blameless or the victim.  All that I wish is for those people to be acknowledged as is so that the path of those that I see sincerely trying and fighting themselves not be made unduly harder by the selfishness of others.  I will equate the mentalities and the leaving of them to rehab, because in my forum years this is indeed about the difficulty for people to change these habits.  The posters intentionally taking advantage of them I equate to enablers.

I am mixed up in this by choice, though I could easily leave all this behind.  But there are people trying hard with good intentions that I will not abandon.  As long as they continue trying and they continue to have good intentions I will do my best to help them even if it means being sullied by the mud slinging and logical fallacies of others.  My reputation will recover, pride is no big thing, and I've proven myself time and again in the past.  I have no need to prove anything here.


Also remember, the measure of a person and change is not always where they stand but many times how far they have traveled to get there.  Those lucky enough to start "pristine" have little to no concept of the difficulties of those struggling to improve.  No more than the rich truly understand the plight of the poor.
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#22 Techni Color

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:02 PM

View PostRalathar, on 19 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

No we can't take the moral high ground.  We don't deserve to yet.  We have more work to do because we are still in the grey area currently.  It's impossible to take the moral high ground while being insulting or responding to trolling.  It's honesty and the attempt to be objective that makes me agree with you on this.  However just because we are not shining white and pure does not mean that we speak nonsense either.  Nor does it mean that it is ok for others to attempt to use this for their own personal gain whilst feigning purity.

Being mature and fair is a difficult game.  This is perhaps why so few succeed at it.  But many more than succeed will gleefully point out the spots on other people's fingers while imagining their own as spotless when it is no less mottled.

In the atmosphere of this forums currently a few prominent people will make the road that much more difficult for us while attempting to be relatively blameless or the victim.  All that I wish is for those people to be acknowledged as is so that the path of those that I see sincerely trying and fighting themselves not be made unduly harder by the selfishness of others.  I will equate the mentalities and the leaving of them to rehab, because in my forum years this is indeed about the difficulty for people to change these habits.  The posters intentionally taking advantage of them I equate to enablers.

I am mixed up in this by choice, though I could easily leave all this behind.  But there are people trying hard with good intentions that I will not abandon.  As long as they continue trying and they continue to have good intentions I will do my best to help them even if it means being sullied by the mud slinging and logical fallacies of others.  My reputation will recover, pride is no big thing, and I've proven myself time and again in the past.  I have no need to prove anything here.


Also remember, the measure of a person and change is not always where they stand but many times how far they have traveled to get there.  Those lucky enough to start "pristine" have little to no concept of the difficulties of those struggling to improve.  No more than the rich truly understand the plight of the poor.

Look, I get it. but its also one thing to keep announcing that you're improving as if anonymous people care and wanting to improve through self improvement and self reflection. The later is what people will respect more and they wont even know it. Take it to heart next time you want to post a long winded response to each of these threads. Please let this issue rest.
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#23 Ralathar

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:52 PM

View PostTechni Color, on 19 December 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Look, I get it. but its also one thing to keep announcing that you're improving as if anonymous people care and wanting to improve through self improvement and self reflection. The later is what people will respect more and they wont even know it. Take it to heart next time you want to post a long winded response to each of these threads. Please let this issue rest.

I said what I felt needed to be said.  I know where I stand, where PK stands, and where the others stand.  As well as I'm able anyways.  Problems is most of those involved are still getting to that point.

If anonymous people care that PK is this, why shouldn't anonymous people care if  PK is also that?  After all we wouldn't be this far into all this if nobody cared.  Unless they are trolling, in which case the admin really would have fallen down on the job.
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#24 Cyrus Levi

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:18 PM

Peekay could you please stop. This is shameful that you would hijack a thread about a terrible event to make it about your ego. You guild was not mentioned in a negative manner by any means in the OP, and yet here we are. Only the OP was on topic because of this.

What happened recently was terrible, and I am greatly saddened by the news. My prayers go out to those who lost friends and family in this incident. I can only imagine how they must feel.

Could we please keep this thread on the appropriate topic please?

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#25 Erianx

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:54 PM

I was watching my favorite online news source when I saw this awesome story related to this original topic.

Ann Curry is a former Today Show host who started a twitter trend "#20 Acts" where she challenged the Nation to do 20 random acts of kindness in memory of the 20 children who died in the shooting the OP mentioned. Well people responded and it grew to include the 6 adults as well.  It really impressed me how many people responded, and gave me this warm fuzzy feeling inside. It can't replace the lives that were lost, but it's the step in the right direction to make the world a better place.

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Text Link (video included here too)- http://sourcefednews...ts-of-kindness/
Note: There's pictures of some of the random acts of kindness in the link above too!

Have any of you heard of this? Have you done this or will you do it?

#26 Madison

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:04 PM

+1 Eri

This is definitely something I will share with others and do myself.

#27 Spellslinger Leah

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:25 PM

How many of you have had to pull your child from school tomorrow?


There have been several threats made to the schools near myself including my sons school today. As a result, when they "locked down" my sons school all of the teachers had to lock the doors and take cover until the state boys and etc. showed up. Unfortunately for my son, he was in the hallway when this happened. Needless to say, he freaked out. The sad thing about this is, I didn't learn about the incident from the school, nor the police.  I heard about it from some of my coworkers who were radioed to the school and they gave me a call at home.

With everything said, I will not force my son to go to school tomorrow. Has anyone else had this happen in their area?
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#28 Madison

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:42 PM

Yes - On Monday I received an email from the school that a suspicious note had been found and was being investigated.  It was all I could do to not go get my kids out of school.

This is the first year my kids have been schooled outside of home (I've home-schooled them) and every morning during breakfast we would watch the news, so it's obviously become a habit for them, and they continue to watch the news during breakfast - I didn't think to stop them from turning on the news after the shooting and so they got a face full of what had happened.  Then after Mondays email and notes home I've had to convince my son that its alright to go to school.  He's been afraid to go to school this week.  Asking me what he should do if that happens at his school.

My biggest fear when I transitioned them from home to brick and mortar was that their education would be lacking (I am not being uppity here, but I home-schooled year round which put them ahead of their natural school course) It never crossed my mind that I would be having to discuss this with them.

Their Christmas break starts tomorrow, so that is why they wont be in school.

I am sorry to hear you are having to deal with this.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:16 PM

This smacks of a national scare that is hyping out of control.  My son's school ALSO reported threats for tomorrow because it coincides with Mayanocalypse and Sandy Hooksteria.  Apparently one email has been passed around to MANY schools that all treat it as "A friend of a friend heard that this was going to happen"  Im sending my kids to school tomorrow.

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#30 Mordakai

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:43 PM

View PostSiiddhartha, on 20 December 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

  Im sending my kids to school tomorrow.

Father of the year award right there.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:50 PM

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#32 Ralathar

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:00 AM

It's not the fault of guns.  Guns just make it more effective.  People really need to start raising their kids.  Though the media fanning the flames by making these kids famous and giving already troubled kids the fresh idea doesn't help.

I think your kid still has a better chance of being hit by a car than being shot in school though.  Media just doesn't cover all the little tragedies in nation-wide coverage because it doesn't "sell".

Edited by Ralathar, 21 December 2012 - 06:02 AM.

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