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#21 KaiX

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Posted 17 September 2015 - 03:15 PM

View Postfriendlywumpa.1627, on 16 September 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

d/x ele seems a little broken at the moment, a nerf might be coming :(
quite frankly, good.  Coming from an ele main, it needs to be balanced.  D/x ele is all about rotations and as of right now, there is no real way to punish one if they fuck up a rotation, unless they are just plain awful.  I refuse to play dagger builds now mostly because they are just not enjoyable for either person involved.  Especially if it's cele.  Zerker D/D can still be fun.  But I usually play scepter or staff now.  Quite frankly I feel like the ratios on eles heals need to be tuned down, and the water tree could be adjusted a little bit.  I want my difficult ele back.
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Posted 17 September 2015 - 03:25 PM

Yay for scepter. It has its issues, of course, but I still find it more fun to play than the alternatives. (That being said, I definitely do like staff; I just like scepter more.)

Of course, it would be more fun if ANet gave it a little love instead of leaving the DD cancer to go unchecked...

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#23 CJ Cregg

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:13 AM

View PostKaiX, on 17 September 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:


quite frankly, good.  Coming from an ele main, it needs to be balanced.  D/x ele is all about rotations and as of right now, there is no real way to punish one if they fuck up a rotation, unless they are just plain awful.  I refuse to play dagger builds now mostly because they are just not enjoyable for either person involved.  Especially if it's cele.  Zerker D/D can still be fun.  But I usually play scepter or staff now.  Quite frankly I feel like the ratios on eles heals need to be tuned down, and the water tree could be adjusted a little bit.  I want my difficult ele back.


Agree 100%. I recently discovered the tank condi ele build, d/f, and it is stupid cancer. I can basically kill anything. Insane.

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#24 friendlywumpa.1627

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 04:55 PM

View PostKaiX, on 17 September 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

quite frankly, good.  Coming from an ele main, it needs to be balanced.  D/x ele is all about rotations and as of right now, there is no real way to punish one if they fuck up a rotation, unless they are just plain awful.  I refuse to play dagger builds now mostly because they are just not enjoyable for either person involved.  Especially if it's cele.  Zerker D/D can still be fun.  But I usually play scepter or staff now.  Quite frankly I feel like the ratios on eles heals need to be tuned down, and the water tree could be adjusted a little bit.  I want my difficult ele back.

i think outside of dueling, where like half of the builds are off limits anyways (whole premise seems pretty contrived), i'm not sure that looking for more difficult content should make you want a nerf on your own build

in wvw, you can always turn up the difficulty by fighting more than one person at the same time

ele 1v1 might be easy mode against glass opponents who can't dodge, but when you're roaming around and you don't have stealth to peel from 3-4 defenders or you're trying to hold a point against multiple attackers, fights are still pretty fun
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Posted 25 September 2015 - 04:11 AM

View Postfriendlywumpa.1627, on 24 September 2015 - 04:55 PM, said:

ele 1v1 might be easy mode against glass opponents who can't dodge, but when you're roaming around and you don't have stealth to peel from 3-4 defenders or you're trying to hold a point against multiple attackers, fights are still pretty fun
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#26 Slein Jinn

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Posted 11 October 2015 - 07:48 PM

View PostKaiX, on 17 September 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

quite frankly, good.  Coming from an ele main, it needs to be balanced.  D/x ele is all about rotations and as of right now, there is no real way to punish one if they fuck up a rotation, unless they are just plain awful.  I refuse to play dagger builds now mostly because they are just not enjoyable for either person involved.  Especially if it's cele.  Zerker D/D can still be fun.  But I usually play scepter or staff now.  Quite frankly I feel like the ratios on eles heals need to be tuned down, and the water tree could be adjusted a little bit.  I want my difficult ele back.
The current state of D/D Elementalist is easily one of the biggest factors in why I've barely been playing lately.  Sure, living in a fabulous new city means I have plenty of attractive alternatives anyway, but the current meta is probably the least balanced since release, discounting things that were obviously broken and rapidly changed, and D/D Elementalists are the biggest culprits in that state of imbalance.  Competitive sPvP has actually been pushed into implementing an arbitrary rule change to require teams to be composed of a minimum of three distinct classes specifically to combat teams stacking 4-5 D/D Elementalists--and doing so successfully, including winning tournaments.  They're not the only problem in balance currently, but they're the biggest problem by far.  The reality right now is that there are only four or five builds that can really be considered top tier in sPvP across all classes.  Builds and comps are just not interesting at all right now.  

Maybe HoT will fix things with Elite Specialisations--I hope so--but I'm not terribly optimistic.  I feel like it's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario, where either they'll end up being poorly balanced and we'll see something similar to the current state of affairs, or they'll be moderately well-implemented, which will result in trying to juggle what really is simply too much diversity--essentially 18 classes, which is just too much asymmetry to realistically expect a small game company to effectively manage in a system without a pick/ban phase.  

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