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[Chappy]

Hi Guys,

I thought i should start a warning thread for guild leaders who are concerned that they might be inviting bad players to their guild.

I have had 2 incidents with players stealing items from my guild's bank to vendor trash despite clear instructions not to do so.

Offending players (character name in brackets):
Witamasicer.6371 (witamasicer)
TobleroneToby.3746 (Dr Dreamy)
James Owens.3029 (Ruby Jones)
austingill.9856 (H U L C)

These players were observed to not only be stealing items from our bank but we watched them do the same thing to several other guilds.

Witamasicer is a member of:
Nights Avengers
Reality Shift

Please note
Before making accusations against another player, please make sure you are able to provide screenshots that back up your claim.
We dont want to get into a game of "he said" "she said".

:edit:
Screenshots of my own.
witamasicer's exploits
http://img705.images...itamasicer4.jpg

When he realised his access had been cut off, he left
http://imageshack.us...itamasicer5.jpg

And his excuse
http://imageshack.us...witamasicer.jpg

TobleroneToby's bank spree
http://img846.images...bleronetoby.jpg

[Drake Erif]

I personally feel like this is a bad idea... I'm sorry they stole from you but this could be used for other players to call out someone they might not like even though they didn't do anything and also it's in my opinion that's it's every guild leaders decision/responsibility to set permissions and scope out candidates before inviting them to a guild.
It's nice to warn other players of harmful ones but starting a "These people suck" thread just doesn't seem like it fits the spirit of Ehmry.

[Grav]

I also can't really see how this thread can possibly end well.

Since stealing/scamming is against the rules of the game, why not just report them and be done with it?

[Papi Champagne]

Even though I love troll bait posts, this is a golden platter for trolls man. This will get off topic very soon. I see the good in it though, thanks for the heads up man.

[Apticus]

I'd like to report Madison, Dune, Thuley, and Jhon Silence

[Chappy]

Guys it would be pretty easy to substantiate somebodies claims with a screenshot of the bank history log and possibly even a screenshot of a conversation with the player admitting guilt (witamasicer was surprisingly blatant and unapolagetic).

In the end, gathering proof on each persons claims could be time consuming and messy.
If Thuley decides to delete this thread i will understand.

[Thuley]

Apticus, on 22 November 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

I'd like to report Madison, Dune, Thuley, and Jhon Silence

Sometimes I really wonder what is wrong with you.

Here's a guild that despite best efforts to secure their stuff with the very limited in-game mechanics that are available suffered theft of a bunch of stuff and you have nothing more to contribute than to add nonsense to this thread.  There's a time and place to screw around but this thread isn't one of them.

Guilds are based on trust and guild bank theft is one of the biggest breaches of trust that can happen in-game.

I don't think that this thread would work for players calling out other players because that will end up being entirely too subjective.  I do think that guild bank theft rises to the level of having a public list of accounts who engaged in such activity.  I am inclined to let this stand because of that if we can come up with a way to essentially have some supporting documentation.  In addition it would be good to have some info on whether a ticket was submitted and what ArenaNet's response to that ticket was.  Don't publish ticket numbers though.

[Cornflake]

This is a forum for a group of players who have decided to try and be cooperative with one another for a common cause.  If someone posts who we believe, or is found to, intend to damage that relationship by making crap up about some other player...

they shouldn't be welcome on the forum in the first place.

I'm fine with reading posts like this.  It only disheartens me when I see it from one post wonders, or people with a vested interest in stirring up trouble.  It should be easy to tell the difference if you are someone who cares about information such as people ripping off guild banks.  

In short, if I would want to see it on my Guild Forums... I'd want to see it here.

[Laelith]

Perhaps this thread would be better suited in the secret forum?? That way only GLs see it. Just a thought. I do like being informed about these crimes. However... I do think that the ranks should have the permissions worked out so that a noob can't withdraw stuff from the bank

[Chappy]

Laelith, on 22 November 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Perhaps this thread would be better suited in the secret forum?? That way only GLs see it. Just a thought. I do like being informed about these crimes. However... I do think that the ranks should have the permissions worked out so that a noob can't withdraw stuff from the bank

This guy wasn't new, he had been in the guild waiting for a while. He was waiting to be granted access.
It is no big loss to us, he was only given access to the low level stuff, just greens and a few buffs. What is more important to me is preventing the player from making a habit out of these activities.
By spreading the word around that he is a thieving bastard, the 1g worth of vendor trash he got would no longer be worth the effort.
I do suspect he was patient because he was able to see how much we had in the bank though, so i have changed permissions so that new people cannot even look at the bank.

I agree it would probably be helpful for there to be a Guild Leaders Forum but how do you establish who is a guild leader?

[Laelith]

There is already a special area for GLs. If they want access, they need to ask Thuley for access.

[Chappy]

Did not know that.

[Laelith]

Chappy, on 22 November 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Did not know that.

Hence why it is secret haha so far its used mostly for WvW discussions but this would be good info for in there.

[Thuley]

Laelith, on 22 November 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

There is already a special area for GLs. If they want access, they need to ask Thuley for access.

This is incorrect.
There is no area for guild leaders per se.  There is an area for WvW leadership which is intended for guilds who are active in WvW.  It's also incorrect that I need to be asked for access.  What is true, as outlined in the "access request" thread in that forum is that existing WvW leadership needs to request access for other WvW guilds as I don't have any idea who is active and who is not.

[Papi Champagne]

It would be wise for you to fix your guild ranks so only your most trusted players get access to the guild bank. Whilst that guy waited patiently or maybe he didn't do it intentionally (you never know, maybe he's just one of those retards abroad the internet who doesn't really think ahead); keeping the goodies from your guild vox-poppuli something that's smart for business. In PK the Commanders and Captains can take shit from the bank.

This would also serve as a good measure to not single out people, since you might mention someone who probably lurks on this forum (believe it or not, I've gotten messages in-game from people I've never seen on this forum that thank/berate me because of what I say). Unless this is moved to the GL section of the forum for a more contained use of this info. Can't let the sheep know the wolf is there, right?

[Chappy]

Given the rate that we have things going in and out of the lower section of the bank, restricting it to Officers is not feasible.
I have instead made it harder for new members to reach the rank required to gain access.

The GL section is only for WvW which means it would leave out a large number of GL's who are not active in WvW.
I don't mind if the players see this thread, who knows maybe knowing that their reputation is shot might inspire them to show a little more integrity?

[Liric]

Strongly against making this sort of thing just another private pool of info for guild leaders. I do not and cannot support or understand this odd need for exclusivity. In cases such as this, it would benefit the general public to know about untrustworthy players, not just guild leaders. As anyone is capable of starting their own guild, not all guild leaders view these forums (unless this is another instance of only the guild leaders that "matter"...?), and all players are generally capable of relaying information to the guilds they are in, I see nothing wrong with making such information available to all, if it must exist in a thread.

Personally, I like having players accountable for their actions. While it is true that guild permissions can help to prevent this sort of problem, it would be nicer to have a community built on mutual trust and respect. If making misdeeds public will accomplish this, so be it. Although I would like to support the idea that evidence should be provided in every case.

[Thuley]

I took the liberty to rename this thread, and posted the account names of those two on Twitter under #guildwars2 and #gw2 because they could just as easily switch servers and try the same shit somewhere else.

[Siiddhartha]

Looks like this was set up and executed just like some of those Eve Online sleeper agents would do.  Now who on here is always referencing Eve Online...? We should start by questioning them.

[Chappy]

I had one more new member run straight to the bank the other day and immediately start asking why he cant access the bank.
He asked me to give him access because "my bank is full".
I was already suspicious of this guy because he was in Canada and appeared to have no reason for joining an oceanic guild.
I just told him "nice try buddy" before kicking him.
I won't post his name in this thread because i have no proof of any wrongdoing beyond my own suspicions, but if you want the players name just PM me.