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[Wicked]

Arei, on 16 May 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

DP is like crack

That was Coca cola no? DP used to be rumored to contain prune juice, which is why it supposidly  helped constipation (it did at one time), but like coca cola, I think the formala got changed when Pibb got more popular, now DP seems to contain more sugar and less of the "bite" it did when it was fresh out of the fridge.

[Arei]

Rimmy1a, on 16 May 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

Regardless of what is more common, tell me I'm wrong when I say it's WAY more dangerous to be deficient in sodium than to have too much.

I think either way, to the extreme, there's a good chance of dying.

[Arei]

Wicked, on 16 May 2015 - 10:07 PM, said:

That was Coca cola no? DP used to be rumored to contain prune juice, which is why it supposidly  helped constipation (it did at one time), but like coca cola, I think the formala got changed when Pibb got more popular, now DP seems to contain more sugar and less of the "bite" it did when it was fresh out of the fridge.

Yes you are absolutely right. But even with the extra sweet, I still think the first sip of a nice cold DP is a euphoric moment.

[Wicked]

Arei, on 16 May 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:

I think either way, to the extreme, there's a good chance of dying.

http://www.npr.org/t...oryId=127914467
There is never enough salt on things, until there is

[Rimmy1a]

Arei, on 16 May 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:

I think either way, to the extreme, there's a good chance of dying.

Sure, but BEFORE the extreme cases, too little salt can really mess you up. It's worse than being vitamin or trace element deficient.

[Scylle]

Rimmy1a, on 14 May 2015 - 05:58 PM, said:

Hard to *completely* avoid processed food unless you're some sort of self-sufficient farmer, but if you stay away from slurried meat (that means all of that deli meat you get at the supermarket), you'll probably be in good shape.

That said, it's good to be human. Almost every other species on the planet bigger than a bacterium will starve to death before a human goes hungry. Wide, WIDE range of stuff we can get away with eating, so don't sweat those long E-numbers.

~'bout that 'farming'~yeaaaa~we tried that~we calculated after 1-year that we had spent over $5000 trying to 'homestead' is what gen-NEW is calling it~those delicious turkeys cost at 8-months when we butchered them $800  on their own in food n''care~the  chickens were eaten alive by our native red ants~the ground squirels -not native- ate their eggs (we were decapitating 20-odd squirrels a week-didn't matter)~the birds ate the tree-fruits~and all the veggies adapted to our meditteranean desert clime by 'microtizing'~imagine an Heirloom Tomater the size of a marble. The local wildlife loved us. We're only good for hunting & foraging (nope, no fish.)

[Scylle]

Rimmy1a, on 14 May 2015 - 05:58 PM, said:

Hard to *completely* avoid processed food unless you're some sort of self-sufficient farmer, but if you stay away from slurried meat (that means all of that deli meat you get at the supermarket), you'll probably be in good shape.

That said, it's good to be human. Almost every other species on the planet bigger than a bacterium will starve to death before a human goes hungry. Wide, WIDE range of stuff we can get away with eating, so don't sweat those long E-numbers.

~'bout that 'farming'~yeaaaa~we tried that~we calculated after 1-year that we had spent over $5000 trying to 'homestead' is what gen-NEW is calling it~those delicious turkeys cost at 8-months when we butchered them $800  on their own in food n''care~the  chickens were eaten alive by our native red ants~the ground squirels -not native- ate their eggs (we were decapitating 20-odd squirrels a week-didn't matter)~the birds ate the tree-fruits~and all the veggies adapted to our meditteranean desert clime by 'microtizing'~imagine an Heirloom Tomater the size of a marble. The local wildlife loved us. We're only good for hunting & foraging (nope, no fish.)

[Wicked]

It could be worse, you could have to deal with rattlesnakes and wild dogs in your henhouse.  Get a mean old rooster to guard the ladies, in the meantime enjoy the squirrel stew

[cassy]

Rimmy1a, on 17 May 2015 - 01:58 AM, said:

Sure, but BEFORE the extreme cases, too little salt can really mess you up. It's worse than being vitamin or trace element deficient.

He is right actually, I used to pass out all the time due to low blood pressure from low sodium. The common result is hypotension and it causes heart problems. Without salt you also have trouble staying hydrated, which is a whole set of problems, and i think it makes your feet swell up really big like poofy melons, or it causes kidney failure.  
Not common here, but a secretary where Adam works decided to cut salt out of her diet, and ended up in a hospital in less than a month.

As for natural foods, it depends on where you live, in some places it is easy.  I used to buy chickens that were raised naturally/organically from a lady who grew them on her farm, veggies from the Mennonnites, apple from the apple farmers, I made pasta, bread etc from scratch.  It wasn't expensive, but it takes a lot of time and energy.  Not all places have the same ready supply of these foods.

However, the more natural a food is, the more careful you need to be about natural problems.  The rate of Ecoli is higher on the veggies, and the rate of salmonella is higher on the chicken.  Our processed, irradiated food is very safe compared to food produced in other ways, and other places.

[LannVouivre]

Rimmy1a, on 16 May 2015 - 08:21 PM, said:

People are weird - they'll unthinkingly imbibe milk squirted out of a cow but will look disgusted and rapidly distance themselves from you if you ask if they've they've ever tried rat milk, or whale milk, or dog milk.

Speciesists!

I mean I can't tolerate cow's milk at all, so it would be nice if they'd specify.

[Rimmy1a]

LannVouivre, on 26 May 2015 - 07:29 AM, said:

I mean I can't tolerate cow's milk at all, so it would be nice if they'd specify.

In a society that has become increasingly politically correct, you must learn to be more tolerant of lactose. Today, just odd looks. Tomorrow, a fine.

After that? Prison. You know it's coming.

[Ehmry Bay Bay]

LannVouivre, on 26 May 2015 - 07:29 AM, said:

I mean I can't tolerate cow's milk at all, so it would be nice if they'd specify.

I've started drinking fairlife milk because it is lactose free. Bit expensive, but it's really nice to be able to drink milk again.

[LannVouivre]

Rimmy1a, on 26 May 2015 - 01:40 PM, said:

In a society that has become increasingly politically correct, you must learn to be more tolerant of lactose.

It's not the lactose, it is the specific casein protein in cow's milk.  I can't have it, I can't digest it, and I can't take a pill that digests it for me like you can for lactose.  It isn't life-threatening (yet), but it makes me very horribly sick. This is not an exaggeration.  If I'm lucky, it will never be an allergy.

[Rimmy1a]

LannVouivre, on 13 June 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

It's not the lactose, it is the specific casein protein in cow's milk.  I can't have it, I can't digest it, and I can't take a pill that digests it for me like you can for lactose.  It isn't life-threatening (yet), but it makes me very horribly sick. This is not an exaggeration.  If I'm lucky, it will never be an allergy.

You're not missing anything, really.

Hopefully it hits you less hard when eating things that have been made with milk, though.

[cassy]

LannVouivre, on 13 June 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

It's not the lactose, it is the specific casein protein in cow's milk.  I can't have it, I can't digest it, and I can't take a pill that digests it for me like you can for lactose.  It isn't life-threatening (yet), but it makes me very horribly sick. This is not an exaggeration.  If I'm lucky, it will never be an allergy.

That is very unusual, since even human milk contains casein.
Have you tried taking strong steroids before a dairy product?
I have a strong intolerance to a substance in seafood, it has similar results, but with strong enough steroids I can enjoy the tasty sushi bar.  My doctor of course said it is sensible to just avoid seafood. . . .

[LannVouivre]

Rimmy, things made with milk still make me sick.  I recently found out the reason I was sick for six months after cutting dairy was because my "non-dairy" coffee creamer contained sodium caseinate!  I can have things with whey, but if the manufacturer separates it poorly from the casein, that trace casein is still enough to make me pay.  I generally only buy things with whey if I know the particular manufacturer separates it well, or if I am not going to be busy for a few days.

The most fun part is getting soy alternatives.  Soy tastes and feels enough like dairy, but the current health craze is to avoid soy.  I haven't looked into why, I don't want to know.  Soy milk mixes just right with my coffee and I am very thankful to at least have that.

cassy, on 13 June 2015 - 07:52 PM, said:

That is very unusual, since even human milk contains casein.
Have you tried taking strong steroids before a dairy product?

It depends on the type of casein.  There's alpha-s1 casein in cow's milk, ,alpha-s2, beta...  Anyway, cow's milk has primarily alpha-s1.  Goat's is primarily beta- and alpha-s2 with trace alpha-s1.  I still cannot overindulge, but I can at least have goat's milk right now.  In my area, it's hard to find anything beside's cow's.  I personally don't care as long as it's not cow's milk, I've learned I can't be picky.

The hard part is getting it through family and friends' heads what my issue actually is, but it's frustrating when they get mad at me over something I cannot control.

I have not tried steroids, and at this point I can't really afford (money) to do frivolous things, so I have to pick whatever I really really want.

[Rimmy1a]

LannVouivre, on 14 June 2015 - 02:14 PM, said:

Rimmy, things made with milk still make me sick.  I recently found out the reason I was sick for six months after cutting dairy was because my "non-dairy" coffee creamer contained sodium caseinate!  I can have things with whey, but if the manufacturer separates it poorly from the casein, that trace casein is still enough to make me pay.  I generally only buy things with whey if I know the particular manufacturer separates it well, or if I am not going to be busy for a few days.

The most fun part is getting soy alternatives.  Soy tastes and feels enough like dairy, but the current health craze is to avoid soy.  I haven't looked into why, I don't want to know.  Soy milk mixes just right with my coffee and I am very thankful to at least have that.

Leave the crazes for the crazies - there's nothing wrong with soy anything. Soy milk is consistently better on granola than any milk, even high fat buffalo milk.

And who doesn't like a big cube of tofu now and then?

[Wicked]

From the time I was 0-5 I was allergic to everything from tomatoes to all sorts of milk (except goat which is what I was reared on apparently) even Tide laundry detergent.  After 5 though, my allergies just disappeared one day and I thought I was done with having to be careful what I eat or take a bath with or wash clothes with, but now (more than a 1/4 century later) they seem to have weird flare ups from time to time.  I'll have a breakout of hives one day and repeat the same food daily routine a week later and be fine, it's the weirdest thing. I guess you just never know what or when your body is going to react.

[cassy]

I don't see any benefit in avoiding soy, but we also have almond milk available here as well.  It is a similar consistency as soy milk, but I think it tastes better on cereal or in coffee.  It doesn't need to be refrigerated until you use it so it can also most likely be shipped.  It also is listed as Casein free.

LannVouivre, on 14 June 2015 - 02:14 PM, said:

The hard part is getting it through family and friends' heads what my issue actually is, but it's frustrating when they get mad at me over something I cannot control.

This is always frustrating.  
One of my in laws did this every year by hiding seafood in my food to see if I really get sick.  She didn't stop until I got sick at her house, and it was uncomfortable for everyone.
I hope your relatives are a bit more reasonable.

In the end I can only quote the Bee gees and say, "we are living in a world of fools".  After all can someone with such a manly mane of hair be wrong?

[Esme Q]

i love almond milk. especially the almond/coconut milk hybrid.  mmmmmmmmmmmmmm