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[Fritanga]

ok, so today we got to see the dragon effigies burn. The Charr representative was "hurt" by it and we all get to go set fire to effigies all over Tyria. As I have been leveling up a new character I was in Lornar's Pass around the Steam Creatures and got to thinking about this new Aetherblade stuff leaked on Reddit and now as we fight in the story.

So here is my theory. The effigies we are lighting through our dances are actually evil. I think that they are constructs of the flame legion used for some evil purpose tied to an elder dragon. I popped into GW1 and went to the Great North Wall around the Last Days Dawn quest area and found these burning effigies which bear a similar shape and form to the ones we are lighting.  effigies.jpg   94.54K   140 downloads These are used in the summoning of the titans.

So we know there is a steam-punk-type parallel universe from the Asura Personal Story and that these creatures are coming through a rift in Lornar's Pass. In that zone, we fight many of the steam creatures who have found their way through. So here is where my theory comes into play:

The Charr representative which got hurt is actually a flame legion shaman who created the effigies as a conduit to try and gain the same powers that the flame legion had when they were aligned with the titans (who I believe were constructs of Primordius?) and he tricked us into lighting the effigies to help spread the flame legion powers throughout Tyria. The Steam-punk-ish group the Aetherblade are actually the Steam-punk universe's PACT who have come through to stop us from lighting all the effigies because the flame legion shaman who was "hurt" was actually a very dangerous criminal from their universe who slipped through.

This Aetherblade group has fallen into the seedy underworld in our Tyria because they found a seemingly innocent Lady Kashmeer who in reality is part of a dark underbelly group in Divinity's Reach, but appears to be an innocent noble. Instead, they are being played by her to do her deeds.

[Heylo]

@.@

[RazGerb]

it all makes sense.... Half Life 3 confirmed.

[Esme Q]

and Lord Faren forever remains an innocent, hopeless idiot.

[Rassy]

This guy's a nut.

Don't tell him I said that, though.

[Palerider]

How do you know? Did you use science?

[Aolun]

Brilliant

[Hawkeye]

New WvW map. Involves a new cap point with a titan claimer. Can only be damage by Ballistas and has a large room with a long tunnel as the only entrance in.
Arrow carts Range has been increaed to 4600 to counter the long tunnel.

[Inextirpable Adamas]

If you go do the effigy ceremony instance, go to the charr's body after he gets zapped. I believe the lady there pronounces him dead? I only glanced at what she said for a split second. And I have to agree, I did feel that something was weird about the effigies. I also noticed that there was no centaur representative during the ceremony. I don't recall seeing any tengu either.

[apollo]

Inextirpable Adamas, on 18 June 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

If you go do the effigy ceremony instance, go to the charr's body after he gets zapped. I believe the lady there pronounces him dead? I only glanced at what she said for a split second. And I have to agree, I did feel that something was weird about the effigies. I also noticed that there was no centaur representative during the ceremony. I don't recall seeing any tengu either.

The tengu have their own plan for taking over the world. Those bastards...

[Reisa]

Nope, sorry, devs have said that Abaddon has nothing to do with GW2 anymore and he's the one who made the Titans, so nope!  Wrong.

Other than that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this theory.

[Fritanga]

Reisa, on 18 June 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Nope, sorry, devs have said that Abaddon has nothing to do with GW2 anymore and he's the one who made the Titans, so nope!  Wrong.

Other than that, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this theory.

Its been 250 years... perhaps the Flame legion aren't trying to summon titans, but maybe channel their power?


On the abbadon side of things, I have a theory on the Dragons too involving them. Especially since they feed on magical artifacts. Since the human gods have been inactive or kept a low profile, and since Abbadon was the one who granted magic to the races of Tyria, perhaps the dragons are constructs of the gods working to bring balance to the magic on Tyria? Jormag being Dwayna's, Krakaltorric being Lyssa's, Zhaitan being Grenth, and perhaps the Sylvari are of Melandru (or maybe the jungle dragon we don't really know anything about yet?) or maybe the Sylvari are agents of Kormir?

[Inextirpable Adamas]

Dragons lived long before the gods existed.

[Inextirpable Adamas]

I wasn't really paying attention, but does anyone remember why we had to go to the temple of Abaddon in the story line? "The forgotten god". Here is what I know about Abaddon http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Abaddon . Abaddon, Dhuum, and Menzies have an alliance. Abaddon was defeated and then his energy was transferred into Khormir. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dhuum Dhuum is a badass. Grenth and Dhuum get confused a lot, but Dhuum is all god and Grenth is only half. Dhuum has been concealed but has been repeatedly breaking free. He regains power from creatures being killed in the mists. You can imagen in the past 250 years he has grown very strong and will most likely come into play sometime. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Menzies Menzies can still be lurking about freely for all we know. But I don't think the gods will really make an appearance for quite some time, due to the whole dragon craze. "ERMAGERRRRD DREGERRRRNS!". I would imagen that gods will start showing up again once future expansions come out.

[Inextirpable Adamas]

An important future question here is how will Menzies and Dhuum react to the dragons? Or rather how will the remaining dragons react to them?

[Inextirpable Adamas]

If dragons feed off of magical energy, it kind of makes sense for the gods to go into hiding in order to not make the dragons stronger.

[UltraEM]

Ned Stark dies

[Noctis]

The Flame Legion charr do not worship any god per say the worship power. Or some entity that gives them power. So with Abaddons defeat it's easy to assume their allegiances has shifted to something else. Main suspect would be Primordius what with all the fire and volcano and magma parallels, but who knows, maybe they worship a Steampunck supercreature from another universe now.

[Fritanga]

There is a map which shows GW1 locations on the GW2 map. When you compare them, you can see the Central Transfer Chamber and Primodeus is not terribly far from their territory. It is very possible that they are worshipers of that dragon now in the same way that the Sons of Svannir are to Jormag. I wouldn't be surprised to see them running around with destroyers at some point either.

If the dragons outdate the gods, maybe the gods are actually champions of the dragons then? now that would be an interesting twist on things... I still think that the gods have something to do with the dragons though. I mean its the best tool for a deity to have; you rely on people worshiping and loving you. but you don't approve of what they are doing with the gifts bestowed upon them so you make a calamity to wipe away the problem. Dragons work exactly in that way, siphoning off magic and consuming magical vessels.

Dhuum is very powerful now. If he feeds of deaths in the mists, then our WvW experiences lately have given him extreme power! . But in a lore standpoint, perhaps the dragons are minions of Dhuum instead? Immensely powerful and designed to siphon the magical powers of the different domains of the gods?

I remember in GW1 during Wintersday there was a struggle between Dwayna and Grenth about the seasons and that Dwayna's powers were more in the spring whereas Grenth's were more during the snowy winter. Perhaps Jormag is an effort to contain Dwayna then? The deep sea dragon could be a tool to quell Balthazar's fire? Primordeus a way to stop Melandru's lush jungle growths? and Krakaltorric.... ummm.... being fabulous and purple to out-glam Lyssa?(although that could also be a good counter to Melandru as well in turning all life to crystal. Zhaitan could easily be a counter to Grenth in that he was keeping people from crossing to the mists as well

I think that ArenaNet has said that the gods are more like Greek Mythology-type stuff in that they were an active part of people's lives in the past but aren't really active now. But even if thats the case, they could go an take a Percy Jackson approach to it and have them just in hiding while their offspring/agents work among us in the active world.

[Inextirpable Adamas]

The last thing we witnessed from the gods was Balthazar opening a portal I think in Old Lion's Arch? I think it was right when Orr rose and caused the huge flood. The portal got the humans to safety if I remember right. And the biggest difference between Dhuum and Grenth is Dhuum would torture souls and sort them in unrightful places after death. Humans grew tired of this, and thus Grenth came along with a few buddies and beat him up with baseball bats. Kinda like the copy machine in Office Space. Only they couldn't kill him no matter how hard they tried. Somehow Grenth siphoned Dhuum's power enough to restrain him and keep him dormant. Grenth now rules over Dhuum's realm and sorts people correctly. The theory that dragons are minions of Dhuum could actually be plausible. We don't know exactly when Grenth overthrew Dhuum and we also don't know when the dragons were last awake. They could have fallen dormant because Dhuum did. And now throughout the centuries, magic was brought to the land (Abaddon) and it helped cause massive wars. Of course with wars comes death and with death, Dhuum regains. There was no mention of other gods attempting to stop Dhuum and that's a curious observation as to "why?". Grenth was originally human. Not god at all. Dhuum or the dragons could have very well just eaten up the other gods' energies if they tried to stop him (Dhuum). That could be one theory and that may explain what is going on now. All I can say is I don't think any of this crap would have happened if humans just didn't steal the Charr's homeland... Had they just stayed where they were and been good neighbors there would never have been wars and Searings and perhaps Dhuum wouldn't have gotten so strong. So this could be a way for the gods to show the major races that they need to stop killing one another. Less wars- less dead peeps- less power to Dhuum- less destruction from dragons.