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[Ixia]

The damage has been done locking it won't do anything. Eventually the thread will die out and fade.. but maybe it could be looked at as a wake up call? And maybe a lesson for other guilds in eBay's future? But oh well dramas drama and I still highly support this post..minus the personal attacks

[CriticKitten]

Firstly, in reply to an earlier post, I've heard nothing about Ash leaving Ehmry and I very much doubt any of us would.  We're having plenty of fun here on Ehmry, smashing zerg faces and ninja-capping and dropping trebs in the lord's room just because we can.  So let's set that aside for the time being.  We're not going anywhere.

On the subject of the thread itself, I think that people are focused a bit too much on the "personal attacks" part and are missing perhaps the more important details in here.  Not that I blame you, I suppose.  When I originally read this thread, I did feel that it was probably better suited for the FTF forums specifically.  However, having taken lots of time to consider the contents, I feel that quite honestly this is a thread that perhaps needed to be made.  Not because of grievances against anyone in particular, mind, but because the rest of the server needs to know what is going on, because this issue is starting to seep over into our WvW performance.

As Noice has indicated, FTF's numbers are down.  So far as I know, virtually all of the players who have split off have remained on the server, so there aren't many concerns about losing any more of our talented players.  However, they've lost a number of commanders, as well as entire squads-worth of players across these multiple guild splits.  Ehmry as a server needs to know FTF's situation to better gauge how we respond in WvW.  FTF can still field a fairly large force, but there may come occasions where they need some backup.  And if none of our main guilds are aware of that, then it's rather hard for them to respond accordingly.  So at the very least, that tidbit alone is a good reason for this discussion to exist.

In addition, FTF is making some shifts in policy that could further contribute to a decline in active WvW participants (such as the decision to enforce 100% representation.  While I can't say how much this will affect them, I do know that the last few friends I have out-of-game have all said they're leaving FTF as a result of this and other shifts.  Our other guilds need to be aware of that, as well, as lower attendance from FTF means that other guilds will need to help them fill any gaps that might spring up.

Also, I really do feel that we need to clear the air and put a stop to all of the bad blood that I've seen going around.  As a fledgling member of FTF, I'd always hear all sorts of behind-the-back talk and gossip and drama about members who left.  There was a time when the focus was on GF members, and there was some focused around Karaama's departure as well.  And then, when members like myself left to form Ash, a lot of that same stuff got stirred up again.  There were some occasions where Ash members were insulted and trolled in WvW map chat, as well as being called "traitors" and other such names by members of FTF.  And I do think that it's time these things be addressed properly, before they become even more of an issue than they are now.

Guys, we're all Ehmry.  We're all on the same team, here.  There's really no reason to maintain any sort of bad blood between guilds.  Leaving one guild for another doesn't make you a "traitor" (unless you leave Ehmry in which case DIE YOU COMMIE TRAITOR ).  We may disagree on how to run things but I think we can all agree that there's no reason for us to destroy the community we've built by attacking each other when we decide to go separate ways.  We have to be mature enough to pull together as a team and work through all this stuff.  We're better than this.  If we're not willing to work through issues together, we could end up with more problems like this, or gods forbid, more transfers.  I don't want to see any more of that happen to us.

I hope that FTF is able to resolve its ongoing issues, I really do.  I remember plenty of good times I had with them, and I'm still perfectly happy fighting next to them in WvW.  So I've nothing against the guild.  But I will admit that I'm really disappointed in how things have played out, and I think a lot of it has to do with too many parties staying quiet about their feelings until they finally just bubbled over.  We need to be more open about these sorts of things.  No more self-destruction.

[Rassy]

Hang on a tick.

How am I supposed to mooch guild missions off FTF if Sputs isn't in it?! hnnnnnnghadammit

[Prophet]

As for those of you saying that this should not be on the Ehmry forums, I believe it should be, mostly because it was removed from the FTF forums within 24 hours. These are all valid concerns, and can't be solved by burying your head in the sand.

[henez RS]

fuck that veregan guy >.>
I got gkicked after missing one raid in [ECHO] v2.0

(Just sayin')

Also it sucks that FTF is now requiring 100% REP, I enjoyed chillin with you guys but now im gona get kicked D:
oh well it was fun

[Rassy]

Prophet is a dumb.

Worst player NA

[XxKakarot]

henez RS, on 27 August 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

fuck that veregan guy >.>
I got gkicked after missing one raid in [ECHO] v2.0

(Just sayin')

Also it sucks that FTF is now requiring 100% REP, I enjoyed chillin with you guys but now im gona get kicked D:
oh well it was fun

Wow Gkick for only 1 squad raid..... I didnt know it was that bad.

[soulless]

Yikes...being a guild leader for many years from Guild Wars 1 to Guild Wars 2 I have to say this is not the place for this kind of drama to be documented like an HBO special.   Leadership is extremely hard, extremely painful, and extremely principled and not all people follow the same principle and not all of us were in the environment decisions were made in.   its best for all of the internal fireworks that are going on in your guild to be kept internal. A lot of people would have played with most of the people you mentioned not even knowing about them or the drama going on and should be able to characterize them through their own lens as opposed to what may or may not be slander.

This makes me glad we are a small tight guild now regardless.  The guilds that stay together grow together

[henez RS]

bro u havent met bastion I was the same way when all my guildies were bitching about him, then I played with him.

[Jay]

I'm honestly glad this was posted. I'm aware of a lot of people were confused about what exactly was going on with FTF, especially in WvW.
I know this has already been mentioned, but if it is true that FTF has lost half of its fighting force, considering just how many players that is, the server needs to know so we can be more organised when it comes to supporting each other in WvW.

[Erianx]

I'm on the side of simply "this shouldn't have been posted here". It's one thing for this thing to go around TS, but since it's on the forums, it's now going to stay there (unless Admin intervention which even I doubt would happen). No matter what FTF does to change their policies or make their guild better, any recruits who have the brains to search "FTF" on the forums will find this thread.  I'm sorry for what ever reason FTF's forum admins decided to delete it, but it doesn't belong here. The community doesn't need to know, and it's not going to assist any "WvW efforts" by being aired here. If anything, it hurts them.

[Reina Takayama]

I believe we can agree it makes sense to explain FTF has less numbers in WvW now due to some internal leadership and restructuring changes and the formation of other guilds from branch offs. All I'm saying is I don't think it needs to be so clear on the server forums about who and why and so on. It doesn't benefit anyone unless the intention is to make people wary or hold certain views from now on regarding specific people... It was too specific to be on the server forums

[Silas]

Not to humor the OP's intention with the post, but that was a great read. It was like watching the world burn.

Although these posts can turn into a drama fest, I feel it also has its place as a warning to prevent these kind of things from happening in your respective guilds, even if we have already experienced such events.

Most I got out of it was Noice is a guy who plays to have fun, who led when he could, and is now reaping the benefits of getting his priorities straight. Can't be mad at that, hats off to him.

[Thuley]

What's done is done, and the Internet never forgets.

As an outsider to all of this I feel that there's some overreacting going on as to who is to blame for what.  FTF has been here since Day 1 as a large guild with a large WvW presence.  Day 1 was one year ago.  Think about that.  The fact that FTF is still here today, even if there are fewer members, is in itself a compliment to all of the FTF members.  How many guilds have been created and fizzled in the past year?  How many guilds were created by splitting from larger guilds, then transferred off the sever, then fizzled?  Time goes on and things change, players move on to other guilds or quit the game altogether.

Yes, FTF and folks were called out by name, but there's quite a bit to learn from this thread when it comes to guild leadership and member expectation management.  If players split from a larger guild to form their own guild, that's overall a good thing because those players think that their enjoyment of the game is better served in a different organization.  It's a win for the player, it's a win for the guild which they left because they are not causing drama, and it's a win for the server because as long as those players remain engaged in the game they will keep showing up for WvW.

On the topic of leadership; anyone can be a leader whether formal authority is assigned or not.  One doesn't have to be the guild leader to lead.  When someone steps up to lead, and players respect that person, then a guild needs to decide whether to assign formal authority to that player or whether the guild would rather let him and his people go.

All this is normal for any MMO, and common for larger guilds because it's tough to get everyone on the same page.  If anything the message here is that if you do a great job leading, and the actual guild leadership doesn't recognize that, then take your people and leave.  Simple really.

Sputniks, on 26 August 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

Basthian demanded power over the members of the squad or he would G-kick Flax and his Engineers, and ban them from the public Ehmry Bay TS server.

I just want to point out that there is no way someone would get banned from the public Ehmry Bay TS server over a guild internal issue.  The public server is just that; public.  The only people who get banned from it are folks who are disruptive trolls from other servers, people with constantly open mics, or people who think that it's funny to berate other people.

[Heylo]

This thread.

[Erianx]

Do you identify with the bottom left one, Heylo?

[Esme Q]

[henez RS]

Thuley, Bastion had the power to do it and was threatening to do it, regardless of the fact that "there is no way"

[Snow Legacy]

Thuley, on 28 August 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

I just want to point out that there is no way someone would get banned from the public Ehmry Bay TS server over a guild internal issue.  The public server is just that; public.  The only people who get banned from it are folks who are disruptive trolls from other servers, people with constantly open mics, or people who think that it's funny to berate other people.

This happened to me once as a joke and at first i didnt think it was to funny (I did deserve it though), then i got to know drakma and i laughed really hard about it later =) <3 Drak!

Reina Takayama, on 28 August 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

I believe we can agree it makes sense to explain FTF has less numbers in WvW now due to some internal leadership and restructuring changes and the formation of other guilds from branch offs. All I'm saying is I don't think it needs to be so clear on the server forums about who and why and so on. It doesn't benefit anyone unless the intention is to make people wary or hold certain views from now on regarding specific people... It was too specific to be on the server forums

How can you NOT agree with Reina! She replies to everything and is amazing! But on a serious note i agree with her. <3 you Reina! =)

[QueenEtna]

perfect song to listen to while reading this