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#101 Fritanga

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 07:18 PM

View PostArriana Oakheart, on 08 September 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

Regarding Sylvari. The Pale Tree was created using seeds found in a cave in the Maguuma Jungle by the human "Ronan" the cave that he found the seeds in was guarded by The Druids of the Maguuma. The Druids were humans that left their mortal forms to become the servants of Melandru. Therefore Sylvari are most likely the creation of Melandru and her attempt at creating a race just like how Dwayna brought the humans to Tyria.

I hate jumping on the Sylvari are dragon minions bandwagon here, but just because servants of Melandru are guarding the seeds which eventually become the pale tree, this doesn't mean that they are good. Perhaps the Druids were trying to keep anyone from planting the seeds, knowing what would come out? Perhaps the Druids were trying to protect us from the evil from the seeds (and that the seeds are the minions of the Jungle Dragon, Mordremoth, which Ronin and Ventari cleansed somehow. A process of cleansing seems to be prevalent through the beefy-er GW stories. In Prophecies, we go through a process of Ascension which is a form of cleansing. In Factions we become Weh No Su (the factions equivalent of Ascension (or Closer to the stars)). Glint is cleansed by the Forgotten, Kuunavang is cleansed by us (or perhaps by Abaddon according to my theory... then us).

I remember hearing in the Q+A at PAX that we will be seeing/hearing a LOT more about the sylvari in the coming year. I am very hopeful that we find out whats up with their story.
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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:36 PM

Well during the Sylvari personal story you find out that in fact at least one other seed was planted forming a specimen similar to the pale tree. There are other "Sylvari" in supposed Magus Falls, we meet one of them and he is inherently "good" with a sense of ethics and morals, even more so than the Sylvari that we know. So I think that kind of debunks the whole dragon minion things being as how dragon minions usually have no free will.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:08 PM

but are they of the same seeds or are they of the pale tree? we don't know that. It was mentioned at the PAX Q+A that we will find out a lot more about the Sylvari this coming year. Hopefully we find that other tree and get some of that sweet sweet lore.
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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:16 PM


In regards to the new patch coming, Tequatl rising, I remember in the official forums in the lore section some people always offering the theory that Zhaitan is but a title (though others shot it down) but something like one of his lieutenants or another of his dragons can rise to power and take his place when he dies. If Anet has anything bigger in mind this Tequatl Rising will be more than just an updated boss fight but lore means the undead risen dragon chain is not over, and Tequatl is rising in power to become the next Zhaitan. Does this mean the elder dragons cannot be stopped as there is a cycle? They are like elemental forces that will always exist and rise again and again, wiping out races and allowing new forms of life to take place?

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:27 PM

I think that would be too much of a cop-out. I am very interested to see how they handle it now since they are putting so much on this now. Supposedly some in Reddit have mined and found that Rox has something to do with the next patch, so back to story!
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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:39 PM

I'm actually buyin the dragon cycle thing bc each time the elder dragons reawaken its not like they will ever be defeated and the cycle ends. However the bloodstones were actually created to hide magic from dragons and on and on tightly related to the dragons so it would be unifying if the way to defeat dragons had to do with the bloodstones. There are still bloodstones that haven't been located and keystone that can assemble them back together. Eventually gw needs to address the bloodstone side of lore and if we are now discovering lieutenants will rise to power n gain the elder dragon status then we need the bloodstone and other things tying it all together to defeat them

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 03:43 AM

I honestly hope that Tequatl Rising is just a gameplay thing and not a Lore thing, because if we're talking lore, the hero/es defeat him once and he's dead; they move on to the next stage of their quest. Same goes for most world bosses, honestly. The trailer is just a way to hype up the event.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 06:18 AM

Honestly don't care what anet does anymore :P they nerfed all me viable farm spots! *ahem* any who...have to admit the trailer was decent , the music and some extra things we'll see Teq do (hopefully) didn't get me too excited but eh , it's something right? GO ANET - GO ANET UHUH! LOL
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Posted 11 September 2013 - 10:58 PM

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 11:22 PM

View PostUltraEM, on 11 September 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

I honestly hope that Tequatl Rising is just a gameplay thing and not a Lore thing, because if we're talking lore, the hero/es defeat him once and he's dead; they move on to the next stage of their quest. Same goes for most world bosses, honestly. The trailer is just a way to hype up the event.

Honestly im pretty convinced it does have lore unles of course they're just really blind and oblivious and careless. The title tequatl rising and the catchphrases suggests it has been sectetly gaining power from somewhere and is now returning and rising to his greater height suggesting this is what's happening after zhaitans death. Bc originally we had the cleansing of orr and stuff how zhaitans power once removed things will start clearing up tho there risen ttheyll slowly disappear. This should have include his lieutenants they should be weaker from what we know and guess. However this patch and the catchphrases is directly and clearly suggesting thats not the case. Unless they wanna mislead people or theyre just careless they wouldnt use such specific words. The thing with lore is we can never mix it with actual game play. For example Zhaitan has been killed a million times and you can replay the story mode if you want. For example gameplay in killing Zhaitan was tremendously disappointing an easy while some players say its ok like that bc if u look at how many months the pact has fought Zhaitan and starved it and weakened it in diff ways it makes sense it is easier however it is just so much easier than say trying to do a temple in Orr with one party.. That doesn't mean Zhaitan is weaker than the risen priests lol so gameplay isn't a way to determine lore, if it's lore it doesn't mean u can't kill it as a world boss even over and over. That is just gameplay, the lore is just the deeper higher level of things beyond gameplay and face value something being represented happening

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:39 AM

View PostReina Takayama, on 11 September 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

Honestly im pretty convinced it does have lore unles of course they're just really blind and oblivious and careless. The title tequatl rising and the catchphrases suggests it has been sectetly gaining power from somewhere and is now returning and rising to his greater height suggesting this is what's happening after zhaitans death. Bc originally we had the cleansing of orr and stuff how zhaitans power once removed things will start clearing up tho there risen ttheyll slowly disappear. This should have include his lieutenants they should be weaker from what we know and guess. However this patch and the catchphrases is directly and clearly suggesting thats not the case. Unless they wanna mislead people or theyre just careless they wouldnt use such specific words. The thing with lore is we can never mix it with actual game play. For example Zhaitan has been killed a million times and you can replay the story mode if you want. For example gameplay in killing Zhaitan was tremendously disappointing an easy while some players say its ok like that bc if u look at how many months the pact has fought Zhaitan and starved it and weakened it in diff ways it makes sense it is easier however it is just so much easier than say trying to do a temple in Orr with one party.. That doesn't mean Zhaitan is weaker than the risen priests lol so gameplay isn't a way to determine lore, if it's lore it doesn't mean u can't kill it as a world boss even over and over. That is just gameplay, the lore is just the deeper higher level of things beyond gameplay and face value something being represented happening
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:39 AM

View PostReina Takayama, on 11 September 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

Honestly im pretty convinced it does have lore unles of course they're just really blind and oblivious and careless. The title tequatl rising and the catchphrases suggests it has been sectetly gaining power from somewhere and is now returning and rising to his greater height suggesting this is what's happening after zhaitans death. Bc originally we had the cleansing of orr and stuff how zhaitans power once removed things will start clearing up tho there risen ttheyll slowly disappear. This should have include his lieutenants they should be weaker from what we know and guess. However this patch and the catchphrases is directly and clearly suggesting thats not the case. Unless they wanna mislead people or theyre just careless they wouldnt use such specific words. The thing with lore is we can never mix it with actual game play. For example Zhaitan has been killed a million times and you can replay the story mode if you want. For example gameplay in killing Zhaitan was tremendously disappointing an easy while some players say its ok like that bc if u look at how many months the pact has fought Zhaitan and starved it and weakened it in diff ways it makes sense it is easier however it is just so much easier than say trying to do a temple in Orr with one party.. That doesn't mean Zhaitan is weaker than the risen priests lol so gameplay isn't a way to determine lore, if it's lore it doesn't mean u can't kill it as a world boss even over and over. That is just gameplay, the lore is just the deeper higher level of things beyond gameplay and face value something being represented happening
I'm still skeptical on it. It's like Tolkien bringing The Witch King of Angmar back after he and his master, Sauron, are destroyed. I'd like to think that they are just updating Tequatl and all the other bosses to the fights they should have been the first time we encountered them, even if the Living Story suggests otherwise.

That aside, because I'm probably wrong, let's assume the fact that we seemingly defeated him once, but he fell back into the Sea of Sorrows, weak and dying, even more so when we killed Zhaitan. Since Anet liked to emphasize the "deep" so much in this new update, I can settle on the theory that a weakened and dying Tequatl went down into the Unending Ocean and found a new master, namely, "Bubbles," the deep sea dragon.

And of course, in due time, Anet will give us some ridiculous explanation that makes little sense, with absolutely no correspondence to any of the many excellent possible theories proposed by fans.

In addition to this, the timeline is already difficult to interpret because of the Living Story. We who have finished the Main Storyline know that all this is happening after the defeat of Zhaitan, while a new player will come to the new Tequatl fight for the first time, still doing his main story quest, and be blown away by the might of Zhaitan's champion, a grim reminder of the evil he/she will have to face.

It's really confusing, and the fact that we have alternate dimension time travelling (Aetherblades/Steam Creatures), makes it worse, because time travel that involves what I call "jumping time-travel" (in which you travel from one point in time to another instantaneously a la Back to the Future, as opposed to what I call "recording time-travel," where instead of jumping from one point to the another, one rewinds or forwards time like a DVD/VHS/etc, and is the one I use sparingly in my writing as it is much easier to avoid paradoxes with it) automatically creates time paradoxes, though in GW2 is it mitigated slightly by the fact that these time travelers are from an alternate dimension/universe and therefore do not cause a serious lore-destroying paradox within the dimension/universe in which GW2 takes place.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:47 AM

If Teq actually did , meet That elder dragon , she better have learned
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:53 AM

Haha, yes, I would be interested in seeing hybrid dragon champions!

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 11:51 AM

View PostUltraEM, on 12 September 2013 - 04:53 AM, said:

Haha, yes, I would be interested in seeing hybrid dragon champions!

It has been said that the Dragons and their minions fight one another when they intrude on the other's territory. We haven't really seen anything like this yet though, since the dragons are spread out pretty far from one another (theoretically). Its a battle to see who can consume the most magic and there is no compromise.

Of course, that being said, I would love to see an undead dragon like Tequatl encased in purple crystals. Sort of a Tequ-atterer.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 01:11 PM

View PostFritanga, on 12 September 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:



It has been said that the Dragons and their minions fight one another when they intrude on the other's territory. We haven't really seen anything like this yet though, since the dragons are spread out pretty far from one another (theoretically). Its a battle to see who can consume the most magic and there is no compromise.

Of course, that being said, I would love to see an undead dragon like Tequatl encased in purple crystals. Sort of a Tequ-atterer.

Isn't this what Subject Alpha is, essentially?  A champion of multiple dragons?

On the other hand, IF the Sylvari are the minions of the jungle dragon, then that would mean that the elder dragons cannot hijack the creatures of another dragon (since Sylvari are, apparently, the only race on Tyria that cannot come back as Zhaitan's minions and presumably the same for Kralkatorrik).

My personal theory is that the undead-repelling Orb that the Pact found and used to be able to even get close to Zhaitan is actually an artifact of another dragon.  Perhaps the dragons' powers naturally repel the others or maybe they are actively striking at their fellows through proxies.

What would be hilarious, though, is if my theory is correct and the expansion (or whatever) kicks off with the entire Pact being corrupted by their reliance on the Orb's power.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 01:25 PM

View PostReisa, on 12 September 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:



Isn't this what Subject Alpha is, essentially?  A champion of multiple dragons?

On the other hand, IF the Sylvari are the minions of the jungle dragon, then that would mean that the elder dragons cannot hijack the creatures of another dragon (since Sylvari are, apparently, the only race on Tyria that cannot come back as Zhaitan's minions and presumably the same for Kralkatorrik).

My personal theory is that the undead-repelling Orb that the Pact found and used to be able to even get close to Zhaitan is actually an artifact of another dragon.  Perhaps the dragons' powers naturally repel the others or maybe they are actively striking at their fellows through proxies.

What would be hilarious, though, is if my theory is correct and the expansion (or whatever) kicks off with the entire Pact being corrupted by their reliance on the Orb's power.

Great observations! Subject alpha is artificially created isn't it, so by natural means they can't have double corruption or something. The question bout the Sylvari is very interesting and something that keeps us on the theory that they are some form of forest dragon minions or perhaps the cleansed forest dragon minions? Like glint, while nightmare court is the corrupted version. However bc forest dragon is not entirely awakened maybe nightmare court isn't clear of their master . Those are some theories floating around that does seem far fetched but not entirely impossible

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:44 PM

View PostFritanga, on 12 September 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Of course, that being said, I would love to see an undead dragon like Tequatl encased in purple crystals. Sort of a Tequ-atterer.
So for me, who hasn't really read the replies since my last post other than a quick scan, i'm getting, dragons boning other dragons?

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:54 PM

View PostEsme Q, on 12 September 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

So for me, who hasn't really read the replies since my last post other than a quick scan, i'm getting, dragons boning other dragons?
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Great observations! Subject alpha is artificially created isn't it, so by natural means they can't have double corruption or something. The question bout the Sylvari is very interesting and something that keeps us on the theory that they are some form of forest dragon minions or perhaps the cleansed forest dragon minions? Like glint, while nightmare court is the corrupted version. However bc forest dragon is not entirely awakened maybe nightmare court isn't clear of their master . Those are some theories floating around that does seem far fetched but not entirely impossible
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:45 PM

View PostEsme Q, on 12 September 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

So for me, who hasn't really read the replies since my last post other than a quick scan, i'm getting, dragons boning other dragons?

No, it was suggested that the minons could cross-corrupt. I said it wasn't possible according to lore, but it would be cool to have a mix in a dragon like a tequatl-shatterer hybrid.
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