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[RazGerb]

I didn't know a video game can lead to such incoherent drama.
Generally I don't give a shit about politics and still don't. I'm just happy to see and meet new people.
You guys make me seem dumb with the amount of diverse vocabulary I'm seeing. stahp

[Rimmy1a]

RazGerb, on 09 September 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

I didn't know a video game can lead to such incoherent drama.

Welcome to the Internet - wait until you check out the detergent drama websites. Or mumsnet.

RazGerb, on 09 September 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

You guys make me seem dumb with the amount of diverse vocabulary I'm seeing. stahp

It was 'interlocutor', wasn't it?

[Slein Jinn]

cassy, on 09 September 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

My point wasn't that ooooh you are so naughty! Just that expletives are usually considered crude.  

And Americans generally consider McDonald's to be acceptable dinner fare.  The mere fact that a lot of Yanks hold a given position doesn't validate that position.  

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The words with Latin or french derivation are considered more articulate, words with Germanic origins are more crude.  

This is a patently absurd claim.  English is fundamentally a Germanic language; most of the core vocabulary of the language is of Germanic origin.  Sure, in many cases, the Latinate vocabulary items are more showy--e.g. "build" vs. "construct"--but using fancy vocabulary doesn't make a person articulate.  If you tried to communicate entirely using vocabulary with French or Latin roots, you'd not only fail, but you'd come across as some combination of ridiculous and pretentious in the process.  Moreover, all of this has absolutely nothing to do with what's considered profanity.  "Fuck" is of Germanic origin, but "damn" entered the language via French.  So is "damn" a word for fancy people, but "house" is crude and inappropriate?  If not, what on Earth is your point?  

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It was deeply ironic that you were using such crude language to say someone was inarticulate.  It made me giggle, so I thought I would point it out.  

The concepts of "crudeness" and "articulateness" have basically nothing to do with one another, so I don't see how that could be ironic.  A person can easily be both (or neither) crude and articulate simultaneously (e.g. the aforementioned Carlin).

[cassy]

Slein Jinn, on 09 September 2015 - 06:30 PM, said:

This is a patently absurd claim.  English is fundamentally a Germanic language; most of the core vocabulary of the language is of Germanic origin.

It isn't a claim I am making, it is etymology. I just wanted you to be aware since you are a language teacher, and it is easily overlooked.
http://blog.oxforddi...ory-of-english/

Slein Jinn, on 09 September 2015 - 06:30 PM, said:

The concepts of "crudeness" and "articulateness" have basically nothing to do with one another, so I don't see how that could be ironic.  A person can easily be both (or neither) crude and articulate simultaneously (e.g. the aforementioned Carlin).

Depending on the usage they are antonyms.  That is part of why Carlin was so funny, he worked very hard to be both articulate and crude.  It isn't easily done.  I went to see him live almost 20 years ago, so it isn't a new idea, and he passed away several years ago so it isn't a recent idea.  Most of the comedians that used that particular line of humor have moved on.
A joke told too many times ceases to be funny.

[Rimmy1a]

Slein is right - English as a language is predominately Germanic in origin, but has inherited words, grammar, and not a regular verb to be found from a bunch of other languages.

And regardless of where "damn" comes from, it and hell were both technical terms in theology before people started getting offended at their use or worrying about which one was more articulate to use when telling someone to cram it.

[Rimmy1a]

cassy, on 09 September 2015 - 07:15 PM, said:

A joke told too many times ceases to be funny.

Not unlike "certain words are swears". You're taught to find them offensive, they aren't inherently offensive. Unless you can find some value in treating certain sounds or collections of sequenced characters as automatically offensive, best to just kill the whole concept and not teach anybody that there is something wrong with perfectly useful words. Cockmaster.

[cassy]

Offending others is always easy, and it remains crude, not eloquent.  Repetition doesn't change the event.  Slein did offend others, and it simply isn't nice.  Treating others well is important.  You can obfuscate your behavior in whatever terms you like, but it was still behaving badly, and in public.

If at some point you want to have a good humored contest that could be hilarious.  However using crude language towards random strangers for spurious reasons is just demonstrating bad temper.  I suspect cranky pants are involved. . . .

You both know that we can add 100 posts to this thread, and still be going strong.  Or we can choose to stop derailing a thread, move on, and behave like semi-reasonable adults.

Rimmy1a, on 09 September 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

Cockmaster.

  That is a bit boring, I would have thought a troll of your caliber would have thought of something more creative.


Cockatrice?

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[Maksyn]

Liric, on 09 September 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

Excuse you, I most certainly did NOT whine "because I can't win a 1v1". Not only has my warrior *never* been stomped in a 1v1, but in fact, I would dislike having any class advantage because it makes victories less meaningful. You are quite obviously reading things which haven't been said to suit your needs. This, on top of claiming that balance is "not possible".

And yet, I'M the one with the "fallacy". Why are people as unintelligent as you allowed to exist? I never asked for your worthless input in response to my post; kindly do not address me again.



I just have zero patience for condescending people and like overkill responses LOL

Still waiting for you to show me one MMO where balance has truly existed.

[Slein Jinn]

cassy, on 09 September 2015 - 07:15 PM, said:

It isn't a claim I am making, it is etymology. I just wanted you to be aware since you are a language teacher, and it is easily overlooked.
http://blog.oxforddi...ory-of-english/

I'm well versed in English etymology, thank you.  I studied at one of the top linguistics programmes in the world; some random carebear on the internet isn't going to educate me with a link to a fucking blog post.  You weren't espousing some essential truth of etymology; you made a claim based on your (evidently limited) understanding of etymology--that claim remains patently absurd.  

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Depending on the usage they are antonyms.  

No, they aren't.  

To be "articulate" is to be able to clearly and effectively express your ideas.  Which is why I charged someone with being inarticulate when he claimed he "[doesn't] know any other ways to say it" after one failed attempt at explaining why his remarks were being misconstrued.  He evidently failed to clearly and effectively express his ideas.  Or, more likely, his remarks weren't misconstrued in the first place and he just failed at covering his ass--hence the sarcastic tone of my original accusation--but that's neither here nor there.  

What it means to be "crude" is a bit less precisely defined, but basically it just requires either the discussion of topics or the use of words that make certain groups of people uncomfortable.  This can quite easily coexist with being able to clearly and effectively express one's ideas.  Setting aside contributions from the peanut gallery, my use of language seems to have been quite successful in accomplishing what it was designed to do.  

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That is part of why Carlin was so funny, he worked very hard to be both articulate and crude.  It isn't easily done.  I went to see him live almost 20 years ago, so it isn't a new idea, and he passed away several years ago so it isn't a recent idea.  Most of the comedians that used that particular line of humor have moved on.
A joke told too many times ceases to be funny.

You're rambling incoherently again.

[soulless]

[KaiSumeragi]

So being here about a week, I am honestly not interested in anything resembling server politics. One motivator for me for leaving FA is to leave all that nonsense behind. But my interest and my guild's interest is whether we should worry about a T5 matchup and the amount and quality of fights from there.

If the fights are good in T5, we are not going to worry a lot about PPT.If not,then we have a vested interest in keeping us in T4 or better.

[Slein Jinn]

KaiSumeragi, on 10 September 2015 - 07:51 AM, said:

But my interest and my guild's interest is whether we should worry about a T5 matchup and the amount and quality of fights from there.

That depends on what kind of fights you're looking for and on when and where you're looking for them.  There are definitely fights in T5, but the bigger fights are more concentrated around NA prime than they are as you move up, and there tends to be less simultaneous action across multiple maps.

[Liric]

Maksyn, on 09 September 2015 - 11:04 PM, said:

Still waiting for you to show me one MMO where balance has truly existed.

You just keep on waiting.

[Rimmy1a]

cassy, on 09 September 2015 - 10:46 PM, said:

Offending others is always easy, and it remains crude, not eloquent.  Repetition doesn't change the event.  Slein did offend others, and it simply isn't nice.  Treating others well is important.  You can obfuscate your behavior in whatever terms you like, but it was still behaving badly, and in public.

"Others" weren't offended at the swearing, they were offended at the tone and perceived hostility of Slein's rejection and skewering of what they had said.

You were taught to be offended at certain words, terms, and ideas. Lots of people are, and early training tends to last the longest - can you overcome yours? Before you twist this to "I don't need to overcome my training to not offend people", consider a different example:

Bad toilet training. If, when you were young and impressionable, you had adults that would freak out inappropriately, you may well end up as an adult who is too paralyzed with embarrassment to pee where someone might hear you. Unless you are espousing the idea that when someone goes to the bathroom everybody else should give them 100 meters of space, then you should be able to realize that being offended by swearing is the offended person's problem, and not everyone else's responsibility to cater to.

Edit: long meandering sentences happen when you are on a phone - take the meaning and ignore the structure.

[Rimmy1a]

soulless, on 10 September 2015 - 03:50 AM, said:

After I spray you with seltzer, you're taking a pie to the face.

[Liric]

If someone is offended by "bad language", Slein is not obligated to care.

[Slein Jinn]

Liric, on 10 September 2015 - 09:03 AM, said:

If someone is offended by "bad language", Slein is not obligated to care.

Excellent concision.  I'm ashamed of my verbosity in contrast.

[Rimmy1a]

Liric, on 10 September 2015 - 09:03 AM, said:

If someone is offended by "bad language", Slein is not obligated to care.

I'm offended by textspeak, if anyone wants to commiserate. I learned it by being offended by h4x0r talk back in the ANSI days.

[Silvernis]

Since this thread is already FUBAR, I might as well just leave this somewhat relevant thing here:

[Rimmy1a]

I laughed, Punch & Judy style.